From the First Republic, Chief Richard
Akinjide (SAN) has been an active
participant in Nigerian politics. A
former Attorney-General and Justice
Minister, he strongly believes that
President Goodluck Jonathan will be
re-elected in 2015. The First Republic
Federal Minister of Education and
member, Board of Trustees (BoT) of
the Peoples Democratic Party (PDP)
advises former Head of State, Major
Gen. Muhammadu Buhari (rtd), to quit
politics because if he contests for the
presidency 10 times, like he did in
2003, 2007 and 2011, he can never be
president. Akinjide, in this interview
with AYODELE OJO and TEMITOPE
OGUNBANKE, also said Governor
Abiola Ajimobi of Oyo State should
forget his return to the Agodi
GovernmentHouse, Ibadan. Excerpts:
As an active participant in all the
republics, how would you assess the
state of the nation?
Excellent. In my view, there is nothing
to worry about. As long as we obey
the wordings of the constitution, we
have nothing to worry about.
There are threats and counter-threats
about President Goodluck Jonathan’s
re-election and the 2015 elections.
How do you feel about the
development?
In my view, what decides an election
is the result. Politicians must talk
politics; whether they are from the
South or North or from the East or
West. Nobody should worry about
that. They say even worse things in
France, Germany, England, USA and
South Africa. So, I don’t see why
people are worried about that. In
politics, you must jaw-jaw, not war-
war; no violence, no killings. As long
as you obey the law, we have nothing
to worry about.
As a leader in the PDP, do you see
your party winning South-West in the
2015 elections?
We will. We will follow the law, the
Electoral Act, the electoral rule and
the PDP will win. I don’t think
anybody should worry about the party
controlling the states in the South-
West or not controlling it. I don’t
want to go into details of that but
those who perpetrated atrocities in
past elections; they have suffered for
it and they would continue to suffer
for it. I don’t want to comment on
that. Once the electoral tribunal
makes pronouncement and it is final,
whether it is right or wrong, we have
to obey it. But let us wait for the
result of the next election and see
who is going to win and see who is
going to lose.
With the All Progressives Congress in
firm control of five of the six states in
the South- West, do you see
President Jonathan winning the 2015
election in the zone?
There was a time Chief Obafemi
Awolowo was controlling the whole
South-West and when we did the
federal election in 1954/55, the NCNC
won; Awolowo’s party was defeated.
Yet Awolowo’s party was in control of
the Western Region at that time. That
was when Chief Kola Balogun became
a Federal Minister, Adegoke Adelabu
became Federal Minister and other
people from South-West became
Federal Ministers. There is no
permanency in politics. A party in
power today may not be the party in
power tomorrow. It is not a permanent
fixture. In England, the Labour Party
had been in power and they are now
in opposition. There had been time
when the Conservative had been in
power and the Labour came in. The
same thing happened in Germany,
France and USA. So, I don’t see why
people should be unnecessarily
nervous about 2015. The party in
power today may be in opposition
tomorrow.
You have not answered the question:
will Jonathan be able to win in
South-West come 2015?
I am 100 per cent sure that once the
election is conducted in accordance
with the Electoral Act, Jonathan will
win; he will become President again. I
have no doubt about that. In 2011,
when he won the election, how many
states did PDP control in the South-
West? And his win was total and the
same thing is going to happen in the
next election. The crisis in the PDP is
going to be settled and you will see
how things will emerge. We have now
got an excellent man as national
chairman of the party, Adamu Muazu;
who believes in unity, democratic
norms and that would change the
equation of politics in the South-
West and in Nigeria as a whole. But
people felt the mutual alliance
between Jonathan and Bola Tinubu
helped the president in the 2011
election. I don’t accept that analysis.
Jonathan won because people voted
for him and he will win again because
people will vote for him. It is as
simple as that. I have no doubt that
PDP will come to power in South-
West. Do you foresee Governor
Ajimobi returning to office in 2015?
No. I don’t see him coming back. I
see the PDP winning the election.
Former President Olusegun Obasanjo
has threatened to withdraw from PDP
activities if Buruji Kashamu remains
the party leader in South-West.
Do you feel comfortable with
Kashamu being the party’s zonal
leader?
In the first place, former President
Obasanjo has not withdrawn from
PDP. If you have a complaint, it is
your duty to complain to leaders of
the party or to the chairman of the
party and that is what he (Obasanjo)
has done. Isn’t that better than
stoning yourself or fighting each
other? It is all politics. It has come
and it will go away. For me, I don’t
see him leading the party in the
South-West. A magazine has
published the details of his case
(drug) in America, which he denied.
He said he had no case in America.
The PDP believes in democratic
norms; we obey the rule of law and
anything contrary to law, we will not
go over it. I don’t see him ruling us
in the South-West. Kashamu ruling
us would be a disaster. He (Kashamu)
said many of the leaders that are
opposing him are no longer relevant
in the politics of South-West….
What relevance has he got himself? I
want anybody to tell me. I don’t even
know him. I have never seen him
before. He should be very careful the
way he makes statement. And that is
perhaps why he had problem in
America and has been exposed by the
American authorities. I don’t think
you should attach much importance
to his statement. He should be very
careful.
Recently, Jonathan and Obasanjo
were engaged in public spat; is there
any process in place to reconcile the
duo?
I don’t see any altercation. I saw
exchange of letters. It is normal in
politics that you exchange words
either in writing or by words of
mouth. Which political party does not
do that? Even the party in government
in the South-West does the same
thing. In the North, they do the same
thing. In South-South, they do the
same thing. It is normal in politics;
just don’t fight each other, only
exchange words. As long as you do
that, there is no problem. Writing
letters is healthy but stoning yourself
or fighting is not healthy. If people
exchange letters, that is normal in
politics. Don’t forget that we inherited
this system, we did not create them.
It was brought by the British,
Americans and the Europeans
generally and we are doing it here the
way they do it there. So, why should
anyone get worried, except somebody
who is suffering from political
ignorance.
Do you think some of the issues
raised by Obasanjo are really germane
or out of place?
It all depends on, one; your politics.
Secondly, how you look at it and
thirdly, where you are going. The
former President said corruption has
grown in Jonathan administration. He
also talked about clannish issue; that
the Ijaws have taken over the
government and the rest.
Are these issues real or just
imaginary?
There is no politics in Nigeria that is
controlled by a particular group. The
Presidency has the whole
constituency as his electoral base.
Therefore, to be elected, you need
people from Sokoto, Oyo, Ijaw, North-
East, North Central and the Igbo to
support you. Many people making
statement are making them out of
sheer ignorance and political
incompetence. If I may say so. There
is nothing happening that has worried
me at all. So, you feel there is no
need to reconcile the two?
What is the meaning of reconciliation
when you exchange words in the
papers, on television or radio?
That is normal. The Germans, British,
Americans and Japanese do the same
thing. This politics we are doing is
not in our history; we inherited it from
the British, Americans, Japanese and
other people. So, why should
anybody blame us? The North is
angling for power shift in 2015.
Do you support power shift?
There is nothing wrong about that,
even you asking to be President of
Nigeria. It is normal. There is nothing
wrong even for people from Benue or
Anambra to say that they want to be
President. It is normal to say such
things. I have no problem about that
at all. So, you don’t have any
problem with power shift in 2015 to
the North? Shift to where? I am
supporting Jonathan 100 per cent to
contest election again, win and
remain President.
Why are you supporting Jonathan?
One, his performance. Two, the
people of his area have seen
something they have never seen
before in the history of the country.
We have had Yoruba as President,
Northerners as Presidents and we had
Igbo as Governor-General of this
country. So, if we have an Ijaw
occupying the same place, I don’t see
anything wrong in that.
But some critics like the APC feel
there is nothing on ground to show
that the President has done well.
That is arrant nonsense. Look at what
he has done about power. Look at
what he is trying to do about the
aviation industry. Look at the roads
he is doing; the expressway he is
doing between Ibadan and Lagos, in
the North and in the East. If you
inherited any problem of 10-15 years,
there is no way you can solve them
within a short time, it takes time.
How do you see the defection of PDP
governors and lawmakers to APC and
what is the implication of the move?
This is just internal politics and it is
going to be corrected before long.
You just watch out. The constitution
is quite clear on that. If you contest
election on the platform of a political
party and you want to leave and go
to another political party, you have to
resign and contest again. If you don’t
do that, then you are doing
something that is wrong and I don’t
see that happening. I believe that the
PDP will put its house in order and
there is no question of defection
being total or final.
Do you see a Northern candidacy
defeating Jonathan in 2015?
The politics of Nigeria has moved
away from North and South or East
and West. Anybody who is reading
Nigerian politics in that context must
be very ignorant. We now have 36
states. Before, we had three regions,
then 12 states, then 19 states. How
can you talk of North and South in
that context? It is not possible. The
politics of North and South has
changed forever. In the event former
head of state, General Muhammadu
Buhari, emerges as APC presidential
candidate, do you see him defeating
President Jonathan in 2015? If Buhari
stands for any election 10 times, he
will lose.
Why?
He hasn’t got the electoral advantage
to win an election. He has done a lot
of things in the past, which shows
that he hasn’t got democratic norms.
For instance, the government of
Lagos State was to do the railway
system and we know what he did
about it. Nigeria has one of the worst
railway systems in Africa today.
Lagos State was going to do water
system; he (Buhari) cancelled it. He
even cancelled the railway system
(metroline) in Lagos State. The
railway system was approved by
Shehu Shagari and the agreement was
vetted by me as the Attorney-General
and Lagos State deposited $50 million
to a French company, which they
forfeited and then they were asked to
pay damages again in arbitration.
Buhari was told that and he didn’t
care. His belief was that South would
be better developed than the North.
Anybody who thinks like that is not
worthy of being President of this
country. That is one of the reasons he
has no political advantage for any
political party. We all know what he
did about human rights abuses. He
imprisoned many political leaders. Is
that why he has contested in the last
three presidential elections and lost?
Let him contest again. If he does
again, I don’t see him winning and I
mean it. But Buhari fought corruption.
There is nobody in this country who
has not fought corruption, one way or
the other. But if you remember when
he became Head of State, he was from
the North, the Vice President was
also from the North (Kwara) and the
Secretary to the Federal Government
was also from the North, as if South
did not exist at that time. That is a
serious wrong political arithmetic.
People will not forget that and I mean
it. But when he left power through a
military coup against him, Gen.
Ibrahim Babangida came to power and
he took as Number Two people from
Abia and later Edo State. So, we had a
fair balance at that time. If you are
doing Nigerian politics, you must
have a fair balance. Anybody that
made that mistake again as Buhari
did, he will lose election.
So, you don’t see him winning
election even though he contests 10
times?
I have repeated that several times.
The mathematics of Nigerian politics
is against him and I don’t see any
electoral advantage that he might
have. Then, who in the APC do you
think poses a serious threat to
Jonathan’s re-election? Nobody. I say
that categorically and seriously, there
is nobody. The dominance of
Jonathan now is total and as time
goes on, we will see that he will
emerge as the dominant person to
win the presidential election.
How do you feel and do you have any
regrets in politics?
I have never regretted being in
politics. I started being in politics
when I was a law student in England.
So, in practice, and in theory I learnt
it in England. I used to go to the
House of Commons and House of
Lords to see how they did it and
when I came back to Nigeria at the
age of 24, I went straight into politics
and three years after that, I was a
Member of the Parliament in my 20s.
You spent some months in prison
after the First Republic coup… All
politicians virtually were detained
then and I was one of those
politicians detained.
How do you feel about your prison
experience?
Delightful. That was the
First Republic when there was an
unnecessary military coup and a
Prime Minister was killed; a Minister
of Finance killed and some Premiers
lost their lives. But after that, things
were corrected and those of us who
were thrown out of power came back
to power again. It was after that that I
became the Attorney-General again.
So, the democratic norms remain
intact and correct. And those who did
that coup at that time had been
proved to be wrong. Today, Tinubu is
more or less seen as the leader of
Yoruba. I don’t accept that. Nobody
has elected anybody as leader of
Yoruba. People have been rising that
they are this and that. They may be
leader of their party, but leader of
Yoruba, no way.
Is he not qualified to
be leader of Yoruba?
I can’t comment
on that. Chairman of the Independent
National Electoral Commission, Prof.
Attahiru Jega, has said he can’t
guarantee perfect elections in 2015.
What is your take on this?
If an
election is perfect, there would be no
election petitions in Electoral Act.
There have been election petitions in
USA, England, France and Germany. It
is normal; that is part of democratic
norms so that where there is mistake,
it can easily be corrected. I don’t
have any problem with what they are
doing and I have no problem with
what we are doing here. It is normal.
Nigeria is 100 years.
Some feel the
country should disintegrate while
others believe we stay together. What
do you feel?
The marriage of 1910 and
the other marriage of 1914 and the
independence we had in 1960 are
total. I have strong reasons to believe
that that marriage will remain forever.
We are now one family; marrying each
other, being educated together, and I
don’t see such things breaking.
*New Telegraph